BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain.

Is this the tip of the iceberg or a minor defection.Link What do the MyDD Readers Think?



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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (1.66 / 12)

I think you're a troll.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:26:07 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (1.18 / 11)

Just passing on a news article. Dont shoot the messenger.


by Safe at Home on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:39:20 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

Mojo'd. These 0's and 1's are ridiculous, people.

If this were a link RedState or some other such bullshit, then yeah the troll rates would be called for.

But this is a link to a NEWSPAPER ARTICLE! About something that's REALLY HAPPENING!

What, when we hear bad news about Obama, we're all just going to cover our eyes, plug our ears, and pretend that nothing actually happened? No, we need to address these kinds of things! Do you think the Obama campaign launched FightTheSmears.com because they were bored? Let's be proactive, people!


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:53:37 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

Well, a diary is supposed to have a little more to it than one line and a link. I think THAT's the primary reason for all the troll ratings.


by EvilAsh on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:58:45 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (1.80 / 5)

Is this what we have become?  Even discussing the news is labeled as trollish, if it's not positive for Obama?  Are we only allowed to discuss positive news about Obama?  That sounds more like North Korea than MyDD.


by markjay on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:09:17 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (2.00 / 1)

Not when it's a McCain blogger.  This is indefensible.


Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics
by OVAH on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:12:31 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

What exactly is indefensible?


by markjay on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:24:22 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (2.00 / 1)

Thank you for sticking up for me. I try to share a news article and I get ripped. Lets get a grip folks.


by Safe at Home on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:13:10 PM EST
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IMO, Democrats are in turmoil (none / 0)

FYI; "Democrats" no longer believe in diverse opinions.


by soyousay on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:21:52 PM EST
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Keep adding to the turmoil (none / 0)

you're doing a hell of a job at it.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:12:38 PM EST
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Re: Keep adding to the turmoil (none / 0)

You bet your ass I am...Someone has to.


by soyousay on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:06:23 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

Safe,

In the future, it would be a good idea to include more than one line and a link in a diary. When you do this and it's something negative, it looks REALLY trollish.
Give us some analysis, some personal impressions, something that shows us you're a living, breathing person rather than a troll going for some quick McCain points.
It'll keep you from getting slimed like this in the future.


by EvilAsh on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:01:30 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

And why did OVAH rate my comment as a "1".  If you disagree, fine, Ovah, let's hear it.  


by markjay on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:26:19 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

This comment does not deserve a tr. You may not like the diary, but this comment isn't offensive or divisive.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:24:51 AM EST
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Whatever. (2.00 / 10)

It's a minor defection. Hopefully Hillary will talk to her and encourage her to change her mind. If she doesn't... *shrug* Most people won't be so foolish.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:27:28 PM EST

I (1.12 / 8)

I welcome it, it's good to clean the house of rats.

And yes your a troll, fuck off.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:29:46 PM EST

Re: I (2.00 / 1)

I love the sheer intelligence of comments like this. Bad new about Obama is verboten. All the guy did was post a link to an article.  


by ottovbvs on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:59:32 PM EST
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Re: I (none / 0)

Right, that's ALL he did. Generally, diaries are supposed to be a little more substantive than that. And, if they include something negative, they REALLY should include something more than that because it smells trollish.


by EvilAsh on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:03:36 PM EST
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If I were Hillary (2.00 / 5)

I'd ask her to leave the party. I wouldn't want ANY of my delegates threaten to vote for the guy whom I was trying beat in the end.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:30:25 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

I'll tell you what.  She will not be registering a vote at the convention for McCain.  At worst, she will be forced to give a "Abstaining" vote.  The Democratic Party will not allow someone to vote for the other party's nominee at their own convention.


A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy. - Teddy Roosevelt
by minvis on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:30:51 PM EST

No. (2.00 / 4)

Now go back to your sinking HillIs44 Titanic.


by HardWorkingWhitePerson on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:33:59 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

Minor in breaking news and minor in life I would imagine. It certainly isn't someone that most respectable people involved in politics would care to know or associate with I think. People make their own choices and to make one to support McCain? LOL Good luck with that....


by Grissom1001 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:34:53 PM EST

They're chosen for extreme loyalty (2.00 / 1)

Delegates are picked for their liklihood (or rather lack of same) of switching sides at the convention.

It's no wonder that some of Clinton's delegates are very disgruntled; there are people like Lieberman telling them that the Democrats abandoned them and McCain is the only one who understands their trouble.

She'll either come around before the convention or be replaced.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:35:49 PM EST

You FAIL. Try again. (1.00 / 2)


by spunkmeyer on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:36:05 PM EST

Is this a picture of Hillary44 (1.50 / 2)

posters?


by Grissom1001 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:37:42 PM EST
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Re: You FAIL. Try again. (none / 0)

that pic is u-g-l-y. hahaa.


----its picking it's nose. haaaha.
by alyssa chaos on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:38:45 PM EST
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Re: You FAIL. Try again. (none / 0)

Hah! Isn't that a pic from the Book of Gnomes?
The pictures of those Trolls used to scare the crap out of me when I was kid.  ;)
by Kysen on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:29:34 PM EST
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hey spunk.... (none / 0)

....stop picking your nose. :D


by soyousay on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:29:42 PM EST
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Always a few outliers (2.00 / 1)

It's not unheard of. Zell Miller voted for George W. Bush. Moynihan was a Nixon aide.


by catfish2 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:37:09 PM EST

Re: Always a few outliers (1.00 / 2)

And your name to the same list.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:47:39 PM EST
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Re: Always a few outliers (none / 0)

Uh, cat, I doubt most of these blogger boyz have ever heard of DPM.


by Tolstoy on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:36:22 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (2.00 / 5)

I think this isn't much of a diary.


Know Your Rights!
by BobzCat on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:45:47 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

lulz


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:37:07 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

This "Diary" has gotten over 60 comments and counting. Free Speech marches on!


by Safe at Home on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:54:55 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

So that's your measure of success?

Looking over the comments, I'd say it's a measure of your FAIL.


Know Your Rights!
by BobzCat on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:17:08 AM EST
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i agree all is lost (none / 0)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/s tory/LAC.20080613.BCPOWELL13/TPStory/Nat ional

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsm emo.com/2008/06/poll_dems_satisfied_with _obama.php


by gatti1 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:54:35 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (2.00 / 8)

In an interview, Bartoshevich expressed lingering unhappiness over the Democratic nominating process, said Clinton was treated unfairly by the party, and said she has deep reservations about Obama's lack of experience and his judgment.

"I'm kind of disenfranchised," she said.

If this election has demonstrated anything, it's that we really need some kind of public-service announcement and PR offensive to educate people on the meaning of the word "disenfranchised."  I have seen that word misused more often in the past year than I had in the previous decade.


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by mistersite on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:57:49 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (2.00 / 2)

I was disenfranchised at the ATM today. I asked for $2000 and just because I didn't have $2000 in my bank account, it only gave me $20. I know there was $2000 in that machine, and that machine disenfranchised me. I just know it.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:02:33 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (2.00 / 1)

I could not agree more.

I read the link, and that was LITERALLY the first thing I thought of.

Not getting your way / disenfranchised...and it's really annoying to equate the two.


by Raumfahrer on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:14:46 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

Whoops, that didn't quite post the way I wanted it to.

I meant to write "not getting your way is not equal to disenfranchised".


by Raumfahrer on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:16:04 PM EST
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I think she is being hypocritical, by her own (2.00 / 6)

words:

"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her - that's by Susan B. Anthony," said Bartoshevich, referring to the famous suffragist.

So, she is voting for a party who ignores her, who's views on women she specifically and pointedly disagrees with and for a candidate who personally stands against the issues she states she is in favor or.

Great thinking.

-chris


Motley Moose, Troll Free Blogging
by chrisblask on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:00:21 PM EST

Your sig is brilliant! (2.00 / 1)

But Grace Hopper was definitely brilliant. It made me look her up again: Love her other quotes as well:

"It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission"

"I believe in having an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out."


by CHoustonTX on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 05:42:25 AM EST
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Re: Your sig is brilliant! (none / 0)

Thanks, she was a great human.

This is my favorite line of hers because it sums up my overall thoughts on life and our culture.

We are a culture of safe ships.

Might as well not have ships, then to polish them at the docks forever.

The Libertarian Litany is the same thing: "Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees."

I hope our kids do not live on their knees, or we will have failed them in the only way that matters.  Our oldest is 13 in one week, getting to the point where we will begin to see whether we have done anything right as parents...

-best

-chris


Motley Moose, Troll Free Blogging
by chrisblask on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:02:02 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (2.00 / 2)

Heh, that's the price of Democracy -- even idiots get to vote.


by username on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:03:11 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

Tip of the Iceberg? Not even an Ice chip


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:09:33 PM EST

Republicans posing as democrats (2.00 / 2)

pretending to be disenfranchised Hillary supporters voting for McCain!

Hmmmm..... where have I heard this before.

This is like a new cottage industry for bloggers.


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:10:13 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (2.00 / 1)

get over your hissy fit. We're moving on w/o you.


by Democrat in Chicago on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:17:07 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

No you don't need half the democratic party you have your arrogance after all. What else do you need.  


by ottovbvs on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:11:36 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

We don't shoot the messenger..
However,;
we will tickle the troll..
Take notes Safe..
Your test will be pass/FAIL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVqyohKCP NA

(extra credit for toe tapping)


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:24:01 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (1.50 / 2)

Comment on the news article, after all this is the United States of America. This Troll rating is nothing more than a small ego trip.


by Safe at Home on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:35:57 PM EST
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The swarm (none / 0)

Don't worry about the overzealous Obama supporters; if you don't walk in lockstep when it comes to Obama, you're going to get the mob mentallity treatment. It's so freakin predictable! :D


by soyousay on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:27:38 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony

                                 


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:30:13 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

If the democratic party were ignoring women, we would have dropped womens reprodutive rights, from the the platform, years ago.


by venician on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:06:38 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

Reproductive rights will not live or die with the Democratic Party. And if that's ALL you have to offer women is Roe it simply is not enough.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:54:52 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

No, but if we had dropped that issue years ago, we would have won more elections by getting more of the religious vote.


by venician on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:19:29 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

Yawn.


by Skaje on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:30:54 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (2.00 / 1)

I think Wisconsin is in the bag for Obama. I think that within a pool of 2000 partisan supporters, there's going to be some people who can't let go. I think that a lot of people are running around like a chicken with their head cut off. And most of all, I think a lot of people just like to get themselves some attention by announcing stupid crap publicly like this.


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:36:12 PM EST

"Unfortunately" (2.00 / 1)

G-d this place needs a housecleaning!  How is it that a person with a username of Clintonite4McCain could last more than an hour on a site "dedicated to electing Democrats?"  Your very name is an oxymoron in and of itself.  Anybody who knows the Clinton, especially Hillary after '68, knows that their biggest concern is promoting the Democratic party and progressive causes.  You are insulting her if you think that her goals will be served by voting for John McCain.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:24:08 PM EST
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Once again... (2.00 / 2)

this site is for "electing Democrats."  I don't care what your reasoning is, this site is not for you if you are advocating for the election John McCain.  

But while you are here, let me ask you this if Joe Lieberman is your model for a politician than how did you support Hillary Clinton?  One, he's criticized her rather harshly and two, their foreign policy perspectives are entirely different.  If you disagree with Obama on foreign policy, then you would have disagreed with Hillary.  And if her foreign policy was not "too dovish," then how is Obama's.  The logical inconsistency in your comment makes me question the truth of your pseudonym.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:52:05 PM EST
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Re: Once again... (none / 0)

"In 2004, my first choice was Lieberman"

sorry, you're not a Democrat, you're a Connecticut for Liebermanite.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:17:28 PM EST
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I don't give a shit (2.00 / 3)

the fact that you've been around here, oh, a few days leads me to believe you came to MyDD for the mere reason to start fights.
I don't give a shit, Obama is the nominee, we're fighting FOR him, to elect him, and if you don't want to do that, then I wish you well. Why you would come around here is beyond me. It's not like I've seen you write diaries about Democratic Congressional candidates or issues you care about, you only comment when a Clinton vs. Obama fight breaks out.

I don't care who you voted for. No Democrat in their right mind still supports Lieberman. It's clear you like war and you think war is great. The vast majority of the Democratic party doesn't believe in all wars, you do. America may not support us, but by God, we believe that blowing shit up isn't the answer to the question and we REFUSE to pander that way to win elections. We will either win on our principles or the country will sign it's death warrant.

I will not be party to the destruction of America.

You don't like you, you are free to become a Republican.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:40:07 PM EST
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Oh well (2.00 / 1)

Clearly four more years of Republican rule is what YOU want, so don't be complaining about it.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:54:01 PM EST
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This site (2.00 / 1)

does not. Why are you even here anyway?

I hear you peope complain "but you're trying to shut me up" Why do you even feel like you want to be here?

YOU ARE ADVOCATING FOR THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE ON A DEMOCRATIC SITE!


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:13:04 PM EST
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Re: "Unfortunately" (none / 0)

"G-d this place needs a housecleaning!"

Chill out dude. There are a few people who are over the top but if you like the first amendment you have to put up with it. Some of the Obama fan's comments sometimes go over the top too.


by ottovbvs on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:18:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

None of us (2.00 / 2)

advocate for the Republican nominee.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:46:23 PM EST
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Re: "Unfortunately" (none / 0)

I love how you're straddling the line just enough to avoid banishment while making the case for John McCain.

Todd posted once that openly advocating for John McCain would NOT be tolerated--I'm hoping MyDD lives up to that promise.  Any fool making the case for Joe Lieberman is no "Democrat" I want to associate myself with...


"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
by AK Democrat on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 05:32:43 AM EST
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Re: "Unfortunately" (2.00 / 1)

Does Barack Obama really seem like a dove to you? He didn't oppose the war in Afghanistan, only the one in Iraq. Which was the correct position to take. He got in trouble at first for saying he'd bomb Pakistan, for Christ's sake.

Your camp seems to think he's some kind of moron, and I predict that by November, you will be very surprised.


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 09:16:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Unfortunately" (none / 0)

He is more than adequate on domestic policy. As for foreign policy, I have a serious question. What do you plan to do in the event that we wind up in a war with Iran? How will that affect peacekeeping in Iraq when the Republican Guard marches over? We don't have the money for another battle like that. Nor do we have the willpower as a country for that kind of fight. You think that people won't riot in the streets if they have to institute a draft?

My mother-in-law liked Clinton okay, voted for Bush twice, hates Obama and Edwards. But she says that if they ever bring the draft back and take her son, she will raise holy hell.


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 10:02:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Unfortunately" (none / 0)

BAH! We beat the Republican Guard. I mean the Revolutionary guard, but I suspect you know that already.


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 10:04:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Unfortunately" (none / 0)

You didn't answer the bigger question. Where does the money come from? Do you think that China and Russia are going to continue to loan us money if we unilaterally attack someone they consider an ally?


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:15:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hmmm (2.00 / 1)

"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her - that's by Susan B. Anthony,"

So therefore, she wants to vote for the same GOP senator that wants to overturn Roe v. Wade and is clearly anti-choice.  All in the interest of being a "self-respecting woman."

Smart.


by PD1769 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:42:47 PM EST

Re: Hmmm (1.00 / 1)

The Democratic Party has shown it is apathetic to feminist issues. Why should women believe the party would defend Roe?


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:58:39 PM EST
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Re: Hmmm (2.00 / 1)

Mmmm, yes.  It's much better to vote for the people that have expressed specifically that they want to overturn it.

Even your lies don't make your logic work, friend.


by RidleyGriff on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:11:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm (none / 0)


I know where the Democratic Party stands on sexism. They stand right next to the Republicans. One is no better than the other.
"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:43:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm (none / 0)

"The Democratic Party has shown it is apathetic to feminist issues."

This is like the argument Nader voters made in 2000 that the Democrats ignored environmental and other issues.  If you want to vote for McCain because you think he's the better candidaate knock yourself out.  


by IncognitoErgoSum on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:17:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm (none / 0)

I have never written a single word advocating for McCain.

But with attitudes like yours I don't begrudge women who will.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:45:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm (none / 0)

"The Democratic Party has shown it is apathetic to feminist issues"

Is that because it didn't select a woman to be the nominee?

Other than that, it seems the Democrats have been the only ones speaking for woman's issues.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:18:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm (none / 0)

For real, the Democratic Party took a stand against sexism during the primary?

How could all of us have missed it?


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:47:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

All the crap (2.00 / 1)

about rampant sexism is just that...crap.  Hillary's a big girl, she can defend herself. Issue-wise, only one party stands up for a woman's right to choose, gender equality, etc.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:22:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Shouldn't she be stripped of her vote? (none / 0)

This is the Zell Miller rule, right? If you endorse the other party you lose your convention vote. Or is that just superdelegates?


by elrod on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 06:55:48 PM EST

OMG! (2.00 / 1)

You mean McCain might become the democratic nominee??

OH NOES!!~~~


by DawnG on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:15:06 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (2.00 / 1)

There will always be idiots

"I'm sure people are going to be upset with me. I don't want to lose my national delegate status," says Bartoshevich, a 41-year-old emergency room nurse who is a convention delegate, pledged to Clinton, from Waterford in Racine County.
...
In an interview, Bartoshevich expressed lingering unhappiness over the Democratic nominating process, said Clinton was treated unfairly by the party, and said she has deep reservations about Obama's lack of experience and his judgment.

"I'm kind of disenfranchised," she said.


Losing is not disenfranchisement.  And if she's going to support the Republican she shouldn't get to be part of the process she is so unhappy with.  I hope she get booted for someone who deserves to be there.


McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.
by PantsB on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:16:50 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (2.00 / 1)

Just curious, does your support for McCain extend to his desire (stated today) to remake the SUpreme Court so they can overturn habeas corpus?


by animated on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:18:18 PM EST

Re: Disagree w/ SC decision (none / 0)

Considering "person" is not in any way a synonym for "citizen" I don't know how you could possibly read the Constitution as containing no rights pertaining to non-citizen and non-immigrant residents.

Do you think "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws" doesn't apply to Japanese tourists or Canadian holders of work visas?


by mydoubled on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:16:06 PM EST
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Re: Disagree w/ SC decision (none / 0)

You are flat wrong. The Constitution applies to everybody in the United States, and to everybody with whom the United States interacts. Would you have a constitutional objection to a death camp for illegal immigrants?

We don't even know if everybody at Gitmo is guilty of terrorism or is just a poor Uighur caught sold out on a bribe by a local Pushtun. The only way to find out is through trial.


by elrod on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:39:41 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

Or choice for that matter.


by Drummond on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:57:24 AM EST
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McCain isn't winning over his base. His problems. (2.00 / 1)

are worse than Obama's but the media isn't covering them.


by mishiem on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:59:40 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

Sounds to me like someone needs to be stripped of their delegate status.

I'm quite serious.

We did it to Joementum when he came out an endorsed McLame. This woman's tempter-tantrum vote is tantamount to an endorsement, given her position in the party. If we can strip superdelegates when they betray the party, we can do the same to delegates.

This seems more like one persons personal tantrum than the "defection" you may or may not be waiting for with baited breath.


by Rictor Rockets on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:42:42 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

No We didn't.  Joementum lost his delegate status when he lost the primary and ran as an independent.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:42:49 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

Hillary should take her delegate status away and choose somebody who is going to support a democrat for president.


by Spanky on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:29:15 PM EST

Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

Wisconsin Dems are going too... A CLINTON Supporter wrote the resolution.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:42:14 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

Hillary should call her.  If she still says publically she is voting for McCain, she should be stripped of her delegate status.  You don't come out and say that... this is politics... you say your going for the opposing team, you lose your status in the party.  Kick her ass to the curb.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:38:13 PM EST

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Looks like Wisconsin Dems... TRUE DEMS... Agree.

UPDATE: Democrats seek to unseat delegate
Stevens Point - Wisconsin Democrats tonight asked national party leaders to not seat one of the state's delegates to the Denver national convention who backed Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) for president, but who today she plans to vote for Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain.

"Democrats in the State of Wisconsin will never support somebody who supports John McCain," said state Democratic Party Chairman Joe Wineke, who asked the party's annual convention to adopt a resolution asking national party officials to not seat Debra Bartoshevich of Waterford, who had been a pledged Democratic convention delgate for Clinton.

Another pledged Clinton delegate, Paula Dorsey of Milwaukee, offered a resolution - which passed unanimously - asking that national leaders not allow Bartoshevich into the party's national event in August.

Dorsey said trying to expell her fellow Democrat from the party's convention "hurts my soul and it hurts my heart," but it is the party's presumptive nominee, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), whom convention delegates must support.

State and national party rules say that anyone who won't support the party's presidential nominee is not qualified to serve as a delegate to the national convention, Wineke said.

If national party leaders agree, an at-large delegate will take Bartoshevich's place, a party official said.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:41:14 PM EST
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Good (none / 0)

That self-righteous idiot should be ashamed of herself.


by elrod on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:42:59 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING; Clinton Delegate voting for McCain. (none / 0)

What I think is that it confirms all the worst I assumed in the Clinton campaign and what it stood for.


by Drummond on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:51:10 AM EST


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